Christianity demands an irrational leap of faith.
This article by Martin Weber appeared in the adventist review March 1st 2015
Excerpt one:
"It’s difficult for anyone who experiences Jesus every day to understand how people can forsake their faith. But when we evaluate Jesus from the limited perspective of pure logic, Christianity demands an irrational leap of faith. Specifically, we must believe that the life and death of this homeless Hebrew carpenter gives meaning for life 2,000 years later in the 21st century — plus saving our souls for eternity. This presents a seemingly insurmountable challenge in our increasingly skeptical world" ( emphasis mine).
My response:
Martin wisely gets that "Christianity demands an irrational leap of faith " but foolishly - takes that leap. A hint of Kierkegaard style insight there but then Martin ( as did Kierkegaard) leaps blindly anyway. The famous "leap of faith" is framed as a Paschallian wager / gambit error. IE that there is only one leap - towards a particular hypothesized god in a particular way etc.
Excerpt two:
“Here’s what: You say you were born in 1970. … That would be A.D. 1970. And A.D. is the Latin abbreviation for ‘year of our Lord,’ as you know. So there we have it. You just defined your own origins in relation to the year of our Lord — Jesus Christ!”
“That’s cute — and clever too, I’ll admit,” Ron said. “But it means nothing because enlightened scholars don’t go by A.D. or B.C. anymore. That’s just medieval religious chronology. I was born in 1970 C.E., which means ‘common era.’”
Paul grinned, undeterred. “Fair enough, but tell me how your so-called ‘common era’ got started. Something pretty important must have happened to divide the history of the world into two parts, before and after. So what in the world was that time-splitting event?”
My response:
While dismissing logic in regard to faith, Martin then proceeds to use appallingly bad logic. Essentially reduces to - this year is 2015 AD therefore Jesus. He seems blissfully unaware of that this dating system was devised in 525 "AD" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini) and furthermore unaware that there have been , and still are , other calendar systems. eg 13 Jamadil Awal 1436 AH in Saudi Arabia at time of this post.
Apologetic tactic 101. Circular logic etc
Here are some other calendars:
360-day calendar
Advent calendar
Akan calendar
Armenian calendar
Assyrian calendar
Astronomical year numbering
Bahá'í (Badí) calendar
Bengali calendar
Berber calendar
Buddhist calendar
Chinese calendar
Coptic calendar
Discordian calendar
Ethiopian calendar
Fiscal year varies with different countries. Used in accounting only.
Germanic calendar (still in use by Ásatrúar)
Gregorian calendar used by most countries in the world today.
Hebrew calendar
Hindu calendars
Ibibio calendar used by the Ibibio people
Igbo calendar used by the Igbo people.
Indian national calendar
ISO week date
Iranian calendars
Irish calendar
Islamic calendar
Jain calendar
Japanese calendar (Gregorian months)
Javanese calendar
Juche era calendar used by North Korea
Julian calendar
Kurdish calendar
Lithuanian calendar
Malayalam calendar
Maya calendar (parts still used by Maya)
Nanakshahi calendar
Nepali calendar
Nepal Sambat
Minguo calendar used by Republic of China/Taiwan.
Revised Julian calendar
Romanian calendar
Runic calendar (still in use by Ásatrúar)
Tamil calendar
Thai lunar calendar
Thai solar calendar
Tibetan calendar
Zoroastrian calendar (including Parsi)
Xhosa calendar (in use in South Africa)
Yoruba calendar (in use in Nigeria)
Obsolete calendars
Attic calendar
Aztec calendar
Babylonian calendar
Bulgar calendar
Byzantine calendar
Coligny calendar
Egyptian calendar
Enoch calendar
Florentine calendar
French Republican Calendar
Hellenic calendars
Old Icelandic calendar
Jalali calendar
Ancient Macedonian calendar
Mesoamerican calendars
Pentecontad calendar
Positivist calendar
Rapa Nui calendar
Roman calendar
Rumi calendar
Runic calendar
Soviet calendar (Gregorian calendar with 5- and 6-day weeks)
Swedish calendar (used 1700–1844)
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_calendars
X Adventist Review
Tuesday, March 3, 2015
Interacting with an Atheist - responses
Year Without God
Click link above. Ryan Bell's response to the Adventists review article. Please read the original article by the review and Ryan's response. Excerpt follows:
"It is refreshing to hear a Christian concede that faith is non-rational. Many modern Christians who debate atheists try in vain to make their faith appear rational or logical. That’s a tough sell to say the least, which is why it is called faith.
In the second to last sentence, Weber says that faith in Jesus is “a seemingly insurmountable challenge in our increasingly skeptical world.” Yes, indeed! I was hoping he might have something to say that would underscore the word “seemingly” in that sentence but alas, the article ends thusly:
Click link above. Ryan Bell's response to the Adventists review article. Please read the original article by the review and Ryan's response. Excerpt follows:
"It is refreshing to hear a Christian concede that faith is non-rational. Many modern Christians who debate atheists try in vain to make their faith appear rational or logical. That’s a tough sell to say the least, which is why it is called faith.
In the second to last sentence, Weber says that faith in Jesus is “a seemingly insurmountable challenge in our increasingly skeptical world.” Yes, indeed! I was hoping he might have something to say that would underscore the word “seemingly” in that sentence but alas, the article ends thusly:
The solution is simple, but not simplistic. Our continuous focus in life must be “looking unto Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith” (Heb. 12:2)."
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